Heal with Nature, Biophilic Design with Jackie Barry

SPEAKERS

Sheri Davidson, Jackie Barry

Sheri Davidson 00:18

Hello friends, welcome back to the wellness inspired podcast. Or if this is your first time here, welcome. I'm your host, Sheri Davidson. And I can't believe this is Episode Seven. Well, this episode is going to be an exciting one. And it is the healing benefits of biophilic design with Jackie Berry. But first, I'd like to share a few things with you. If you missed the last episode, running adventures, Catalina Island, 50k, check it out, I have created the series to inspire physical activity that gives back to you, because that is the only way you're gonna stick to it. I love to run, travel and learn. And I thought it would be fun to create a story around my travel running adventures. The experiences give back to me in so many ways. I really love immersing myself in beautiful places off the beaten path. I love the challenge of the runs. And I love learning along the way. This could be people that I meet, it could be a lesson that run taught me, it could be a piece of history that I didn't know before. But many times it's the holistic experience that I have, and that I get to come back and share that story with family, friends. And now you guys. So I hope you enjoyed them as much as I love doing them. And as I always say, Never stop exploring, learning, loving and being you. So the next episode will be episode eight. And I will be solo talking about relationships, connections, and communications. This is a very important topic to me. So I look forward to sharing it with you. And I was hoping to do this episode in celebration of Valentine's Day, which was at the time I'm recording last week, but it didn't work out that way. So I will post episode eight in a couple of weeks. And that will put us into March and I cannot believe we are already in March of 2022. Crazy. So please tune in. I will also be interviewing Tammy who Rocha an upcoming podcast. If you've been following along here, you know I love traveling and adventure. And I will be chatting with Tammy about wellness, travel and tourism. So again, please tune in. To get updates on the new episodes and wellness inspiration in your inbox. Please join the wellness inspire community, go to wellness inspired podcast.com to sign up, I'll put the link in the show notes. And you can sign up there to make it easy for you. Also, there is a Facebook community at the Wellness inspired and you can follow me on Instagram at wellness underscored inspired. If you like what you hear, please give me a rating and review wherever you listen to your podcast. It helps others find to me. And if you're in the Houston area or visiting and interested in acupuncture herbal medicine company, or dry needling therapy, contact us you can find out more on our website at element five o m.com. That's element number five, o m.com. Again, I'll put the link in the show notes. If you're interested and health and wellness coaching, we can connect in the clinic or on Zoom, reach

out and we'll get you on the schedule. And last but not least I host two monthly events yin yoga and mindful meditation. Yoga is with my friend Georgia, we do it on Zoom In yoga is a passive style of yoga and a meditative style of yoga. I guess all yoga has you need to be mindful and present. But I really feel like yin yoga you can drop into meditation because there is not this constant flow of movement. You are lying in poses for anywhere from two to two to five minutes, we typically stay in them for about three, you can really get into a meditative space with this style. And it's a restorative style of yoga. So it's perfect for anyone and I love it. I'm a runner, I'm constantly engaging my muscles. So this is really nice to not engage my muscles and really get them to open up and release. And Yin Yoga also has some roots in Eastern medicine, which we all know I love. So Georgia talks a lot about the meridians and which meridians we are stretching and opening up. So I really appreciate that. So yes, please join us. It's great for everyone. So you're all invited. The second class is mindful meditation that is with me. I love mindfulness. I practice it every single day. I practice more informal. So I just try to be very mindful throughout my day. And and then I will have times where I actually sit. So that's formal versus informal. Mindfulness can't go wrong with this. So please join me. Once a month. I'll put the link in the show notes. It'll be on the element five, acupuncture and wellness events page. So you just go to the calendar, find the class that works for you. And come join us. All right, well, let's move on. We're going to talk about biophilic design today. And I have to say I have a great appreciation for design. I was an interior designer many, many years ago, I went to U of H and got my undergrad and interior design and architecture. And I did corporate design in Houston and residential design in Austin. And then I took a different direction towards Eastern medicine and wellness. As Jackie says, In the episode, you had an awakening. I really like that. I don't regret it. I do miss design. There are many times throughout the years, I've looked back and and I've missed it, I really have. But I have a passion for all of them. I love design. I love Eastern medicine. I love herbs, I love wellness. And it's really nice to see it all coming together here. It's nice acknowledging that piece of me that got pushed away for for so long. So seeing it all come together right here on this podcast is so cool. I'm really enjoying it. So I think it would be appropriate to give a brief definition of what biophilic is and what biophilic design is. And then we'll jump into the interview. And 1984 There was a guy Edward O Wilson, he coined the term Biophilia or biophilic. And he found that us humans have an innate tendency to be attracted to nature and seek connection with it, and other forms of life. He thought it was due to evolutionary reasons. And one thought is, we're drawn to resource rich environments for our survival. And I think that we still look to nature for survival today. And I think research is proving that, you know, many cultures have long recognized our connection with nature and its vital role that it plays in our health and wellness. I mean, look at the Japanese, they discovered the healing benefits of nature, and they called it forest bathing. So if you're not familiar with forest bathing, it is a walk through a forest and you are engaging with the environment in using all of your senses. So you are listening, you are touching, you are visually like seeing the plants and if some people take their shoes off, so they feel the ground with their feet, you're taking all the aromas, and they have found over and over again that time spent in nature is healthy for us. It can reduce stress and strengthen the immune system. Now biophilic design is the practice of connecting people and nature within our built environments and communities. So it's just pulling it all together. And Jackie Berry is the perfect person to talk about biophilic design with. She is a registered interior designer, landscape designer, and an interior design professor. She has been in the design industry for over 30 years. Design is her passion, starting her education and interiors at the University of Houston with a BFA in interior design. Then on to graduate from the Journal de Hine College of Architecture with a master's degree in architecture, professionally working as a licensed interior designer for many years and Houston's ABA community, primarily specializing in corporate design, starting at W H R and ending at PDR. Jackie left PDR to start her own landscape design firm wildflower landscape design, transitioning from interiors to exteriors all while practicing her second passion teaching.

Jackie began her teaching career. In the same program. She graduated from at the University of Houston and was program coordinator and affiliate professor at the Art Institute of Houston and is now a full time professor at Houston Community College. Her greatest accomplishment is truly being a part of hundreds of Houston's promising and talented interior designers educational journey and seeing each one succeed in a career and profession. That means so much to her. So let me introduce you to the awesome Jackie berry Welcome, Jackie. Thank you. Glad to be here. Thank you for coming to element five, acupuncture and wellness to record the podcast. We're gonna talk about biophilic design. We've talked about this before on the health and wellness podcast, right. So I'm super excited. It was one of my favorite podcast. We know I love design. I have a great appreciation for it, even though I don't do it anymore. I actually met Jackie, we as I was a designer. And when was that? Oh, I think we did this last time. It was a long time ago. It was in the 90s. Right? It was because I had just gotten out of college in the 90. You know, we had you graduate. I graduated in 97. Was that right? Yeah, it must have been so it was the late 90s. Yeah, yeah. Cuz I think I graduated in 9697 from U of H. And then I started working at PDR. And I guess I was there for three or four years. And then I decided to go back to school for Chinese medicine. So I took off the auto awakening, I had an awakening. But you know, nonetheless, I still appreciate design. I love design. And, you know, the term biofuel like it's just, every time I hear it, I just like light up because I love nature. Yeah, I always have. I'm a trail runner. And one of the things I love about trail running is just being immersed in these beautiful places, and having this experience of running through through them. So I I love it. Even when I was young, and I would practice my interior design skills on my room when I lived at home, I would always have nature like abstract paintings. Interesting. Always. Yeah. So I feel like I am very drawn to nature. I know a lot of people are. And the term biophilic design is the practice of connecting people with nature and their environments, for many reasons, but one reason that we're going to be talking about is for the health and wellness benefits. Yes. So I think you're the perfect person to talk about this with you have a lot of experience in design. You had a landscape design business. Yes. And now you're a professor at one of the top 10 interior design schools in Texas. Exactly. That was such a it was it was so surprised to get that news. Yeah. So we were

Jackie Barry 12:40

taken aback by it. But like, yes, so we're doing something right over here. Yeah. So you went to a h2 Right? So how is it different? Well, first of all, it's interesting just because HCC we only have a two year degree, right and associate's degree in interior design. We have that partnership with Steven at Boston, where you can stay here in Houston transfer to Stephen F. Austin and still get a bachelor's degree, which is great. But HCC is just certificates and associate's degrees. Okay. So it's really impressive that we actually beat out four year schools. Yeah, you know, just sort of get that. And so we tried to cram a lot into your two years at HCC. So it's a intense program, I would have done that, you know, looking back on all my college, and how much it costs, right? I mean, right? Well, and now, I mean, firms out there are paying attention to associate degrees like before, I think when you and I were at PDR, they probably wouldn't even have looked at someone with an associate's degree in design, or they wanted a bachelor's, true at a minimum. But I think the work that we do, and then when we get students out into the jobs, they can see they're like, holy cow, you know, they're just noticed. Does it matter that they, you know, what degree they have? Yeah. And I think the there is a shift happening as well, with the four year degrees. Yeah. And the cost of them. Yeah. And that a lot of students and are going I mean, they're in debt when they get out of school, and they can't pay it back. Well, in you know, I've taught at the University of Houston, where I graduated from, and then I taught at the Art Institute, right, turn, right. And so now I'm at HCC, and, you know, it really sort of was something that made me proud and happy working at a community college, where I know that you know, the amount that somebody's spending, yeah, to better themselves is reasonable. Right, versus getting into so much debt. Yeah. I mean, I have students, former students from the Art Institute that was excellent knows if Oh, yeah, really like 90,000. Wow. Is it now is it a four year it's a three Well, most people take four years, but you can if you went full time, and you did exactly as they say to do it, you could get out for years. Yeah. Incredible how much it costs $1,000. And you hear students all the time talk about the interests that those student loans.

Sheri Davidson 15:16

bring with them. So well, I am one, I still have my student loan from Chinese medicines. Wow. Yeah. It was about the same as about 100. Is what to tell him to pay it off? It does. So I looking back, I would have totally done it. And especially, especially if you're getting the same education or better, right, like, yeah, and I love it's a good program. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good program. But I I really enjoyed my time at U of H and being Houston Coover. Exactly. So so let's just, um, how did you get into design? Okay, so,

Jackie Barry 15:57

you know, I talked to my students about left brain, right brain and how interior design is, you know, a bit of both, like, you have to have the creative side of you. And then you also have to have the business side of you to make it work to be successful at it. And so it got me thinking about, you know, my mom and my dad, and so my dad was a, you know, frustrated artist. I mean, he was in construction, but when he was painting and drawing and, you know, murals on the wall, yeah. All those kind of things. Yeah. So he had that artistic side, and then my mom is a numbers person. So she's an accountant. And, you know, so to me, it's sort of like I, you know, in the, you know, combination of both of those. And it fits with interior design, because, you know, we have to be creative. But we also still have to manage budgets and schedules and all of that. So I think it was just a good fit I took in high school. I think it was called Home Economics back then. I think it still was. And so in that class is when I was introduced to interior design as a profession. And we did it for fingers furniture contest. And oh, fingers, the store, store anchor furniture was a store. It's gone now. Right? I think so. Yeah. But anyway, did it bedroom design and had a concept and, and then they brought in for Career Day interior designers. And I remember the lady talking about traveling. And I was like, Oh, this is for me. So it was kind of good, because I you know, I took painting and graphics and things like that my first year at U of H. But again, with my mom being this driving force, she's like, Are you sure you don't want to be an accountant? I'm pretty sure. So it was a good fit to say, you know, I can go get a job. Yeah, well, sort of, you know, when I graduated, it was one of those times in the economy. But you know, you had the ability to get a job and have a profession and be a starving artist. Yeah. So you know, I think my dad thought the same thing. When I set told him I was going to interior get my interior design degree, because he was like, Do you not want to be a doctor or an attorney? I'm like, No, this is what I want to do. Because I was always playing around with my space. And I was like, What do I like doing? And I was changing my bedroom around all the time. Oh, repainting all the time. My parents actually gave me the townhome to this is when I was actually in school, they gave me the townhome to redo so I just, but he didn't know that I can actually go out and get a job like, Ryan, I had a firm, a corporate firm, right? Yeah, we're gonna have a paycheck. And yes, yeah. Benefits. Yeah, all of that. Yeah. So he was actually surprised about that. But I think to, you know, designers and that create the creative brain need some structure? Right? Because even like time management, yes. is huge. Right? I think a lot of creatives. Yeah. Because they get lost. And I think that's, you know, what interior design does, it really does marry those things together, or, you know, in order to be successful, you have to have both of those sides of, of that going on. So yeah, time management, and we teach that. I mean, it's, yeah, we have a whole unit on time management, because that's really great. Yeah, and I think it like design, you know, you and I both graduated from U of H, and the focus was designed. Yeah. You know, I don't even think I knew what the phases of a project were when I got out of school, you know, but I could design something right. But now we kind of really sort of balance that out with the reality of what they're doing. And you know, then the creative aspect of it too. So time management and critical thinking, I was so good, all of that kind of stuff. We I wish I had more thought well, you know, I do Wellness Coach

Sheri Davidson 20:00

for University of North Carolina, and most of my students that I work with a lot of it is time management, helping them manage their time to reduce their stress. Right. Yeah, right. And anxiety. Yeah. And you know, you've got to have a plan. I think that's the other thing, too. I'm a planner. Yeah. So with interior design, you know, you're working on multiple projects and multiple phases. And you've got to, I mean, you could get really stressed out about all of that a lot of work. Yeah. Not being able to sort of, you know, know, where you need to go and what you need to prioritize and stuff like that. So I imagine, you know, in any profession, but just in life in general, yeah, that's what you're working with those people on. And constantly, we're constantly working with myself as well. People don't get emails from me, and I'm like, or, like, my, like paying my bills together. So it's like, I keep getting their reminders that I owe somebody money. I'm like, 15th of this month, and I'll do it all at the same time. But well, awesome. So So you didn't design you've been doing design for what, 3030 years? 30 years? Yeah. So and then the landscaping design? How did you get into that? Well, that was kind of by accident, because I bought my first house in 2000. And I think it had one bush and a pecan tree.

Jackie Barry 21:23

And so it was kind of like, well, you know, the outside of the house needs some help. So I just started, you know, for the first time ever going to nurseries and I had a friend, Michelle, she's an architect, and we went to graduate school together. And she had always, you know, sort of been into gardening and things like that, it just was not something that I had ever done. And so going in nurseries and things like that, and just falling in love with plants and just being like, Well, my two loves of chopping plants. Now, so combining those two things, and you know, going, Oh my God, look what I can get for $50 a nursery, you know, 10 different plants. And so my first, you know, sort of step into that was my house. And, you know, I pretty much had one of everything and was just like, oh my god, this is so beautiful. And, you know, how do I make it grow and keep it and you know, those kinds of things. So I did my house, and then my neighbor saw me and he's like, Well, will you help me with mine. And then that same friend, Michelle, she had a client looking for a landscape designer, and she introduced us. And so that was my first like, real official project I had. And I remember sitting outside of the car, thinking, Okay, you got this, you can do this, you know, you're an interior designer, but you know, you know all about design, you can know it, we hit it off, and I did multiple projects for them. And so that's how it all started. Yeah. And you're but you're not doing that right now. No, no, no. I'm focusing on teaching. And I, you know, again, another passion, being able to combine design and teaching and, and so I just really enjoy. You know, it's sort of my way of giving back. Like I said, being at a community college where it's affordable, and you know, seeing these, you know, students come in and really being able to, you know, express their creative side. And then I feel like, I'm still just totally involved in design, because we're talking about projects all the time. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Landscape Design. You know, I kind of did that, I guess. 22,006 I started the company and then really, I'd say 2000 I know it was 2016 17. Of course, the pandemic kind of slowed everything down. It made that transition a little bit easier. I still do. I have like two jobs I'm working on. It's hard to say no to. Well, I think I asked you at some point. You said you were doing special jobs. Yes, exactly. I will help out special people and special friends. And if it's really interesting project Yeah. Yeah. Well, you must be really good at it. And I know I've seen we've stayed in touch through Facebook. So one of the the benefits of Facebook, but I always see your pictures and I saw your house and it looks so beautiful. And of course I reached out to you and I was looking to put some greenery outside outside area. Yeah, this is such a great space. I love it. Yes, very calming and yet well in the light comes in especially this time of the year and just really lights up like not now but around one o'clock. It'll just really like well and I heard the birds chirping when I came in the courtyard. Yeah, courtyard. Yeah. Yeah, it's the only the only downside is Finn likes to stare out the windows and he occasionally barks at the delivery people right, which is very startling sometimes to people

Sheri Davidson 25:00

to people when they're on the table with needles in. One of my friends in Texas actually she was on the first episode, she does animal communication. Right? And so she did a reading on him. It was like a 30 minute reading. And she told me that he wants his voice at the clinic, where he or he wants he, yeah, he wants to be a part of this. Yes. And I said, Well, you can tell him that he can have his voice at home.

Jackie Barry 25:30
But here, he has a silent part.

Sheri Davidson 25:36

Here, so I'm really thought about that. If you're laying on the table, and you're like, kind of in your in your zone. Yeah. And then he barks. Yes, most people are, don't I apologize? It's okay. It's okay. He's doing his job. And like, I know, but you know, he doesn't do it that often. So, um, but so anyways, well, let's talk about biophilic design, I like to, I mean, what I know about biophilic design is, again, is bringing nature inside to for the for the health benefits is the way I, I look at it, but you bring nature and people together. Yeah. So how do you define it? Well, I mean, it's basically what you said. I mean, I think,

Jackie Barry 26:18
like, when we talked last time, you know, the pandemic really sort of brought it to the forefront like, when we talked last time, you know, the pandemic really sort of brought it to the forefront of that sort of need for the connection to nature that we were all just sort of missing, didn't know we needed it, but then all of a sudden, we had the time, and the space to, you know, really make that connection and not feel so trapped. Because, you know, with being isolated, and whatever it's called, that we were doing, for the last couple of years that, you know, being able to step outside of your house even or see outside or even in the big cities, you saw how people were connecting with outside. Because you couldn't, couldn't go anywhere. So hark was off. Yeah, there were so many so many people. Exactly. So yeah, I mean, I think it's just now biophilic design is something that's been around for a long, long time. And you know, it's very, it can be very technical. Yeah. And if you start reading up on it, you know, there's 14 principles and six, you know, patterns. And, you know, it's very complicated, but, or can be complicated. But, in essence, it really is just sort of, you know, making those connections, either visual connections or physical connections, smells, yeah. Using all the five senses, really. It's interesting in design, because, I mean, I think in life in general, it's hard to ever come up with anything brand new, right? I mean, there's always it's always something spin around in one way or another. So when you hear that it's sort of trending now. I mean, it's been around for a long time. But I think a lot of the stuff that we do in design we do intuitively, because we just know, it's the right thing to do. So, you know, you can talk about, oh, this is a biophilic design principle. But it's something that, you know, as a designer, you just know, it's the right thing to do. Sure, no, and paying attention to what people are looking at and the views that they have. And you can link that all back to those real specific things in biophilic design. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I'm drawn to nature. I remember when origins first came out, yeah. And I was just like, yeah, gosh, this is fantastic. And I actually in Ewa Beach did a project that was for origins, because I picked that company had all these natural woods and, and you know, plants and anyways, it was very, it was very innate, right. Like I just I was drawn to that. But the first time I ever thought about the health and wellness benefits of biophilic design was in hospitals. Yeah, I think I read an article and they were saying that the the healing the hospital stays were shorter if you had if you had a view of nature. Yeah. And it doesn't even have to be live. It could be nature. It's like it'd be even a picture of nature helps heal. Exactly. I was just wanting to the large painting of a tree or Canvas image just yeah, the forests. Yes. But yes, that their their hospital stay was shorter. Their pain meds went down. Recovery was faster, and I was like, wow, yeah. So all of these things are like scientifically proven right. And yeah, that connection that it does help heal, it helps you be more productive. Yes. And force bathing like the Japanese have. They are doing a ton of research on the benefits of forest bathing. And that is when you walk through a forest

Sheri Davidson 30:00

and you're using barefoot using all of your senses, right? You're smelling? You're hearing you're you're touching, I know, right? I always think about my yoga teacher at the why in his whole thing was, you know, just being in the moment, you know, and even if you're washing dishes, you know, listening to the water run. And so I tried to do that. So mindful, mindful practice, right, so to some mindful meditation, and I do it for beginners. And so I do it once a month. And I know I've been meaning to, you should calm dissipate. Yeah, it's super fun. And I do interval training, kind of, like if you were gonna do a couch to 5k. We meditate for seven minutes, we come out, we talk, we go back in and we do it four times. But it's super fun. I always talk about an informal practice and a formal practice. So you can have a very formal practice of sitting somewhere. And then an informal practice is what you just talked about. It's just being very present in the moment. I always use the example of being in my car where I'm actually feeling steering Well, right. I'm, you know, I'm very engaged with my car. I'm looking around, I'm hearing everything, or washing the dishes. It's interesting. Houston is such a car city, right? We're in the car all the time all the time would bring that you know. And funny, because when I pulled up here, I was a little bit early. So I got my calm app out. I did. And,

Jackie Barry 31:23

of course, then I was like the trucks were going by any little bit counts, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But just the types of very informal practice very informal mindful practice. Yeah, just a response to your mindful washing the dishes. That was his thing. When you're washing the dishes, he moved, unfortunately, to really Denver. He was the best ever. Anyway, so Well, at the he was at the What the Why, I mean, he taught all over, but his name. Now it's totally. Oh my gosh, Nicolas, yeah, auger and he went to he got a position a full time position at the Y in Denver. And so, but he still does online. I keep thinking I'm gonna try to do that online with
him. Yeah. Online yoga. I don't know how that works, but seems like it might be okay. Yeah, try it. Exactly. I'm kind of getting zoom exhausted. But and I know a lot of other people are too. But I do the mindful meditation on zoom right now. We used to do it here and the, like, the four year are out there, we do get yoga out there. So I'm kind of wanting to go back to that. So we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. But it's, there's is a, it's convenient. Yeah. Yeah, but so I think, you know, with biophilic design, you know, again, I, I'm bringing that into the classroom. Now, too. I mentioned that. In my Residential Design Studio. One of the things that we try to teach interior design students is about design, concept development, know, sort of what's the big idea of the project. And it's something that's kind of hard to teach. And it's really like, I felt like, I didn't really get it until I got out into the real world and sort of what's like, I can remember professors sitting across the table from him in architecture school and them saying, you know, What's your concept? Or why are you doing this? And it's just like, well, I don't know, doesn't it work? You know, is it wrong, but the understanding of what a design concept is, and so in that, in trying to teach that I decided in their residential studio, that I kind of give them these overriding topics that they can pick to work with, like, and one of them is biophilic design. One of them is health and wellness. And the other one was universal design and aging in place. So they sort of have that as a framework to work within and the ones that, you know, do the biophilic design really end up loving it and sort of, you know, that connection again, I think it's just their connection to something that, you know, they have experienced in their lives in terms of liking nature, and things like that. But the idea of being able to bring it into their design projects, they really liked that I really liked that. Yeah. So was that something that you decided to incorporate? Or is that something that people were asking for? No, it's something I did. I mean, I think, I think even but when we talked last year, you know, that sort of idea was kind of in my mind, and then I was, you know, it's always good to kind of stay current with what's going on. And I always have an element of sustainability in all my projects, which is, you know, again, a part of biophilic design is having, you know, sustainable materials and systems and things like that. Clean air, all of that. So, yeah, it just was kind of a natural fit. And then I think you know, the pandemic really sort of accelerated everyone's kind of connection with nature and wanting that, like we said, and so people wanting to experience their, their yards and their outdoor spaces. Yes as an extension of their home. Exactly. And so students are really interested in it. I'm teaching commercial design this semester for the first time at HCC, even though that's really my background from PDR. One of the professor's that was there left and so I stepped in to do the commercial design until I was like, Okay, what kind of project am I going to do this first project, so, wanted to do retail and corporate. And when we did this first four weeks of school, we did a pop up shop in a redesign trailer, and they could pick which one of three things that they wanted to sell. And I'd say over half of the class pick plants really so indoor plants. Yes. So I think after we came out of lockdown, I went to a nursery Buchanan's I went to Buchanan's I know, I love Buchanan's, they do. Oh, my gosh, it was crazy. I know. Well, I I'm a part of this Facebook group. You know, some of those Facebook groups have, you know, interior plant parents and things like that. And his Facebook, interior plant merits like, Oh, I love that. And so you'll see all these posts of people, you know, like, Oh, I just found this you know, whatever plant and and so on Sunday, I was at Buchanan and I was thinking about that plant group and I'm thinking they must not live in a city that has a place like this because there is every single kind of plant that you could want. I mean, that really focused on interior plants. Yeah. At Buchanan's now and if you've been recently, but there haven't been, you know, undercover places, all interior plants. And so I mean, you go in, like that when I went down, you know, like, get my cart and I'll have to put stuff back.

Sheri Davidson 37:03

Yeah, I need to go. I was in Catalina a couple of weeks ago. Catalina Island. And one of the things I noticed there is a lot of succulents. Mm hmm. And so now I want to do a succulent garden. Yes. Do you have sun? I do have sign ups on? I have? Well, not so in the winter. I don't get that direct sun. But in the summer is I get that. I think it's the faces. I think it faces east is that West West? I'm sorry. Yeah, I face west. Gotcha. So it gets put in there's just so many varieties, and there's just oferty and beautiful and they were everywhere in California everywhere. So what's awesome about plants? I think, you know, yeah, I love watching them grow. Yes. I think about them taking care of them watching them grow.

Jackie Barry 37:55

That can be a What did you say? Meditation, a mindfulness meditation and structured are the informal informal Yes, right. Yes. Taking care of your plants. Yeah, I mean, how to water them and what light they need and moving them and caring for them and yes, saying goodbye to them and saying goodbye.

Sheri Davidson 38:15

I had a couple of plants um, that got them. Millie. Are they the million bucks? Oh, mealy bugs. Yes. I had to. mandibles mentalist. Doesn't matter. Whoa, man, Divya. Yeah, man, Divya. Yeah, that's how you say I think so. Yeah, man, Divya. I had to they were beautiful. They were growing the vine. Yes, it would they were I love vine. So you know, in Chinese astrology. You're associated with an element. Okay. I am, he would, which is like plants, the leaves that vines. And then you have young wood, which is like an oak tree. Okay. Right. And so they have different energies to them. Right. So the vines, they're very connected. They need other people to grow on. You know, like, if I was going to look for a job, it would be really good in a collaborative environment. And then you have like, say young wood. And young wood is their strong take on projects. They kind of protect Right, right. canopies protect other plants underneath them. They are like the leaders of big projects. It's really cool. Yeah. So um, he would, uh huh. So I'm very fragile. Not really, but anyway, I like it. Delicate is the word I'm very I can be very delicate. It's interesting, because there's also like fire and earth and water. And there's the yin and the yang of each one. That's so cool. All of that stuff is so interesting. It's very cool. Yeah. Trying to figure out what you might be. Yeah, Angus, how do you you can run your chart on that what it is yeah, you find out Yeah, it's called butter your by your birth time and Bert, is this it? Yeah, days. Yes. Oh, So you have four pillars. And you have your year pillar, your month pillar, your day pillar and your time pillar. Okay? The like, if you go to a Chinese restaurant and you saw the menu, they always have the year. Yeah. So like, we're in the year of the water Tiger, right? So my year is a rat, which is water. But my day, which is the most important piece of okay, it's I get it is e wood, which is rabbit. So it's how all the elements start interacting, that one element, and then you have the elements of the year, right, like, yeah, so it's interesting. Makes sense with the different parts of your personality. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's cool. But when I think about me being having this, like, I'm very drawn to nature, I think it's my input element. That's like, like, I know where that comes from. All About My ego, but my element. So So you have incorporated biophilic design. In your program? Where do you see it going in the future? Well, let me back up for a second, because I find it interesting that we're talking about biophilic design. But what I have found is that people aren't actually asking for biophilic design, but they're doing the requesting, right, these aspects of it. Right. So people going

Jackie Barry 41:22

with more natural finishes. Yeah. And wanting to have daylight and natural light in their space. Yeah, and, you know, softer edges on things, all that kind of stuff is, I think stuff that yeah, that people are asking for, but really not knowing that. That's all Yeah. And that's kind of what I was getting at before. I don't know, if I finished that thought about, you know, there's so many things that we do, intuitively. Yes. You know, and, and then you could put a label on it. Yeah. It's like, oh, well, that's this now. And, you know, and it's trending now, but it's like, I think if you're a good designer, yeah. You kind of already know those things. Yeah. Understand that. That people want that. And know, it's different in commercial design and residential design. I think, you know, people wanting and spending so much more time at home now that, you know, that's, that's what I did over the pandemic is I sold one house, and I sold my house and bought a townhouse. But you know, just sort of like, how am I going to finish this out now. And so I was drawn to a lot of sort of bamboo and rattan and even though I love mid century modern design, and I like things. I think, again, that's part of my split, sort of split thing. And I like, not a lot of young, exactly, not a lot of clutter, you know, but I still like the natural sort of feeling of things. And my friend Michelle came over and she's like, Oh, my God, this reminds me of my parents house in the, you know, 70s because I was having routine and plants and, you know, it's like, she's like reliving that all again, you know, and I started looking around and I'm like, Yeah, I can kind of see that, you know, plants at the tops of bookcases and yeah, barstools are retirement, but it's just wanting that. I think that natural materials, you know, compared to sort of the cleanliness and the less clutter, you know, sort of is a nice balance. Yeah. And having that. So, I think a lot of people were just doing it like that. Yeah, yeah.

Sheri Davidson 43:35

You know, and we're gonna do my friend Tammy, she's a travel agent. And so she does really specialized itineraries for people. Uh huh. And, you know, wellness, travel is really big. But last time we talked, she's like, well, people aren't asking for wellness travel, right? They're just asking for places we want to be outdoors. You know, we want we want this, but they're not saying, hey, I want to go on a wellness travel trip, right? And then there was something called, which this might interest you. I thought about doing it, but I'm like, No, Sherry, no. But it's called transformation travel. And I'm gonna talk to Tammy about this too. But basically, it is about scheduling itineraries for people to have these transformational experiences. But not only that, but design these trips for people where they leave a place better than when they Yeah,

Jackie Barry 44:33

I like that. It's a really cool idea. It's interesting, because I had just talked to my mom the other day about, like, I wish there was a place we could go for like, two weeks, three weeks, where I could get, you know, reset, and just sort of have somebody else sort of direct me and tell me what to eat, what kind of exercise to do and really just sort of immerse myself In this two week thing, Mm hmm. And then come back, sort of knowing all of that information. So I guess it's exactly what you're talking about. But I was just sort of like that, because it's really hard for me to, like, start eating unhealthy again, or start exercising again, or, you know, it's just every little thing. It's like I know what to do. But it would be nice to just have this focused time period where you could just really get into that. And it feels like then you would really bring it back with you. Yeah. And you would kind

Sheri Davidson 45:29

of immerse yourself in it for two weeks. Yeah, exactly. I should, um, connect you with Tammy? Yes, she does stuff like that, like so. Um, but trans lookup transformational travel to? It's a it's a it's an organization, I think it's a nonprofit organization. But I don't even know how we got there. How do we get to oh, oh, I know how because I was like, because people aren't asking for these things specifically for like wellness, travel or biophilic design. But they're asking, they are asking for it in ways and things are requesting like specific things like more natural

Jackie Barry 46:03

materials, or like you said softer edges. I need to send this to you. It was an article on wood, the biophilic response to wood? Oh, yeah, I should send that. That'd be great. It's super cool. Like feature walls in your house. Just having a wood wall, you know, makes a huge difference in this space. I feel like that's what it's missing in my space is just sort of all my walls are drywall. And yeah, I did. And you know, if you could just have that, whether it's wood or stone, I mean, I think stone gives a different sort of connection to nature. But yeah,

Sheri Davidson 46:38

yeah, well, this one was specifically on wood. And that they found that when you see wood, your blood pressure lowers, there's this feeling of warmth, you know, I think it activates your parasympathetic nervous system. Right? And it was just like, really cool to see the some of the science like they've been doing the research that they that you actually have a physical response to material. Yeah. Yeah, not just I think a lot of times, we might, we might say we feel warm, right? Right. Like if you go to Colorado, and you go skiing mode, right, and

Jackie Barry 47:10

you go into a lodge, and it's all wet. I think that's really cool. And then there's, you know, water features, and you know, whether it's outside and you can hear it or even you know, doing it on the inside, it's a little trickier on the inside this maybe architectural as we would want it to be in some cases. But yeah, the sounds of water, the side of water, mix that with wood and the trees, and

Sheri Davidson 47:41

that's what I need as a water feature in here. In Spark, I get mixed, mixed feedback about water because some people are like, because I sometimes I'll play natural sounds in here. And if there's a stream and someone's laying on here, they're like, all I could think about is going to the bathroom. So you have to

Jackie Barry 48:02

make sure they go to the bathroom. Yes, but I like birds, and all of that. So birds and some there's actually a fire on there, too, which I love. Well, I know you saw my Facebook posts, but I lit a fire for the first time. And that was, you know, again, that's kind of, you know, in the line of biophilic design and sort of I had not, I mean, I've seen and been around fireplaces before but I've never had one. Yeah. And it's a wood burning fireplace. And so last year when we had the winter storm, I had we had just kind of moved in hadn't been a year yet. And I hadn't had anybody come and check the fireplace. So it was kind of chicken to do anything with it. So over, you know, that time I had somebody come out so it was all you know, inspected and ready to go. And so last weekend, it was just like, okay, now's the time and I talked to several, they're like, Jackie, you can do it. And one friend was like, just get some newspaper first, light it on fire and put it in a fireplace. So you can see what happens to the smoke and shares. I'm just like, I don't want to burn down the town. The first time I light a fire, but it was so nice. And it was just I mean of course the weather was perfect for it, but it was mesmerizing. You know, just sitting there watching it and hearing it. And you know, I think that that was a huge, you know, sort of connection that I made to so how do you think how did it make you? How do you what was your response as far as like, did you feel relaxed? I did yeah, yeah, I mean once the anxiety of okay, I'm not gonna burn the house down. This is good. Then just sort of sitting and it really is the way my floor plan is the way I've set it up is there's you know, an area of this big room that sort of the TV Dan like area, no, and then there's the fireplace area with If the sofa in the bookcases and I haven't really used that that much, I mean a couple of times but you know, I've been to sort of waiting on the fire into being able to, you know, be on the sofa and fire scaling. I was like, Oh, this is also so I was very relaxing and calming and smelled good. Got some of that pin pinion wood. That's from New Mexico. Okay, you can see a lady with it the you know, a couple months ago, okay, I was like, Oh, is this good? firewood? I said I'm thinking about lighting a fire sometime this winter. I was like, Yeah, this is good. Would you mix it with other but it gives a really nice smell. So smell lingered in the house too, so that all those senses

Sheri Davidson 50:43

were just activated? Well, I you know, I when I buy my final kind of like, where I know, I'm going to be for a while. I want a fireplace. And I think everyone in Houston for the most part once a fireplace, but then people always like what why it's always so hot there. But we have that one weekend. Exactly. And it makes it all worth it. Yeah, my parents have a wood burning stove. Yeah. And I actually went last weekend when it was so we got that arctic blast. I went there. So I could sit in front of the wood burning stove. And I love it. It's just nice. So relaxing. It's so relaxing and cozy and comfortable and warm. And you know, your stress level goes down? And

Jackie Barry 51:28
well. That's exactly what we're talking about. Right. Yeah. Benefits of any kind of natural element in your house. Yeah, yeah. So

Sheri Davidson 51:37
how if if somebody wanted to start incorporating some of these elements into their space? What suggestions or tips would you like if people

Jackie Barry 51:49

one of the easiest ways what we've been talking about in terms of interior plants? Yeah, right, is sort of getting the greenery inside the house. And so many people have been doing that now. And so huge business now. Yes. So I think bringing plants inside, but that's tricky, too. So I've had a landscape business, and I had a yard and I had millions of plants outside, but I'm not as good at Interior plants yet as I was, or it's hard exterior plants. In fact, I just took pictures of my patio with all these exterior plants that I managed to like grow and thrive and keep going. And then I come inside, and my little interior plants are like, you know, just like not happening. I mean, and so it's just trial and error. So I think that, you know, advice on that, too, is just not to be too afraid of it. And you know, you're not intentionally, you know, killing these plants. But you know, it does take some trial and error to figure out what works. So bringing plants in. Yes. And then we talked about this last time, the ability to open your windows, which again, is another weird thing for Houstonians. But you said that's changed. I feel like it has changed. Yeah, you know, since we're at home, and we have the ability to do that, and well, and the weather's changed. Yeah. Right, that, that we do have seemingly a little bit more good days than we used to not as hot and so being able to open your windows, that's one thing and or another thing. And then just softening things up. Right. So with natural fibers and you know, if you can, you know, if you're at a point when you're changing out your furniture, just sort of looking at those things and being aware of what things are made of and where they're coming from. Yeah. Which is kind of hard to do sometimes. I mean, you see something you like, you don't necessarily investigate, you know, was it made sustainably right? But if you could find the places, you know that it's good do that. Then then you're you're safe. So

Sheri Davidson 54:02

you ever heard of mycelium furniture? No. They're taking you know what, you know what Mycelium is? It's like the mushroom, uh huh. The kind of the root system of mushrooms and it's all interconnected with all so it's like a blanket. Okay, and so I'm not sure if they anyways, they're making furniture out of it interesting. And it's very organic. It's very beautiful.

Jackie Barry 54:28

Yeah, I'll have to show some. Okay. It's so yeah. Yeah, so looking for those kind of things. So we've got natural light, we've got you know, textures and natural materials. Airflow again and cleaning out your air right. So the house plants are going to help with that. But a lot of people are also you know, getting in air purifiers now and really that's kind of a part of a normal interior environment these days getting rid of All of those Yeah. toxins that are in everything. Yeah. So, yeah. So doing you know, and you can spend $300, or you can spend $1,500, or, you know, to get something like that, but I think that's probably worth doing. Yeah. Cleaning the air out.

Sheri Davidson 55:20

Yeah. And I think that's probably something that people don't associate biophilic design with, even though I know it right. But it's it's the clean water the clean air. I know, after COVID The well design. I started seeing commercials for well designed. Yeah, on on the TV, which was the first time I'd ever seen that. So and that is yellow hair. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's really cool. Super cool. So I mean, I think biophilic design is here to stay. And I think we're going to start seeing it more and more. I saw to remember this article, I should have put it in my notes. But it was creating cities, like we were in forests. So you might have a trickling stream going down, you know, like downtown somewhere. We have the bayou but

Jackie Barry 56:14

or you would have more greenery and not it wouldn't be so I guess? I don't know structured to the word I'm looking for. But right. So just more natural, more natural. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Sort of the idea of even in the city. Yeah, that's what you're saying. So we're going downtown Houston is sort of streetscaping. But in a more natural way. Sadly, not in not so great. Yeah. And yeah. So that would be interesting to see. I mean, I think a lot of architects and designers are, you know, it's just another way to know, enhance what we're already doing. Yeah. And so I think it is here to stay for sure. And as we talked about before, and as we get more technology, untethered to our technology, we have to find that balance. Metaverse, exactly whatever that is one of my students the other day, I'm like, Are you going into the metaverse? And they're like, I don't even know if they knew what I was talking about. And I was just like, you know, that Facebook thing, but it will be a way to experience nature. Yeah, you know, well, in we're in, we're doing virtual reality, that we're back at that at HCC again. Yeah, so we're doing it on a volunteer basis, we had, you know, started this, like, track towards all of that, and then the pandemic kit. So we're just now back at it. And I've got, you know, 13 of my students volunteering to learn VR. And so is this creating, like, their learning of VR, so you can create a space so people can walk through this space. So their projects now, you know, like when we're in when we were in school, or when I was in school, when you were a little bit after me, but you know, we've prepared boards, boards and things like that, and we still do that. But now the students, instead of just 3d rendering their projects, they do them in virtual reality. So we can put on goggles and we can go into their spaces. And you know, depending on how, how much time that it takes time, of course, and yeah, but it's really interesting. I mean, an HCC is doing it for all kinds of programs, like the fashion program had, like a virtual reality fashion show, and it seems we're going there. So that's the metaverse Yeah. You know, like in June I it was Gucci. I think Gucci and some other well known fashion brands are buying, or getting into the metaverse and I guess you Oh, yeah, you can buy Nikes Yeah. into where on your avatar. Or Gucci bag or Yeah, exactly. I can afford a Gucci. Yeah. Well, I don't know how much they are virtual. Exactly the same. Yes. It's kind of crazy. We talked about that the other day. It was like, I swear, there was a time when I if I saved up and I really wanted a Gucci bag. I could get one. But now they're like $4,500 I'm like, Yeah, that's

Sheri Davidson 59:19

not that's anymore. That's so crazy. Well, you know, I did the infinite. here in Houston. It's the spacewalk the virtual reality spacewalk. Yeah, it was. Was it cool? It was super cool. You mean you put the goggles on and it's a little weird because you can see your hands right? But they're like that your hands are stars right? So it's like this glitter like you've put gloves on? Mm hmm. So when you're reaching out for things you it's all you can see and if you're the people around you if you don't know them they had a white light. Or maybe anyways, I might have this backwards but but you can get Connect or know who you were there with? Yes, because you had green lights, let's say are those staff had green, I can't remember what the colors were. But then you would walk around and you know, you would hit these different buttons, and it would take you into like a different part of the spacecraft. And like one, one point, I was in the kitchen, and they were throwing food. And I was like, right under like, it was a banana. And but it was super, super cool. But the crazy thing was, is that at the end, I took off, we were still in the room, and they asked you to take off your goggles. And I looked back to see everyone and all you saw were these people randomly walking in these like circles? Like,

Jackie Barry 1:00:44

it's like, it just looked so weird. It is it's it's mind blowing. It's mind blowing. Yeah, I mean, it's just, I mean, I don't want to replace nature. But I guess in some ways, if you, you know, can't connect to it, or, you know, if we don't step up and really pay attention to what we're doing to the planet. Yeah, we may only have virtual nature in the future. But I think technology is a huge plays a huge role in in what we're going to see happening, for sure. Well, there

Sheri Davidson 1:01:19
is there's a co workshop. They're here in Houston, and they were on the health and wellness

podcast, and they're gonna come on this podcast too, but it was

Jackie Barry 1:01:30

wellness technology that they're getting into. So they can do surround sounds of like nature, and then they do circadian rhythm lighting. Yeah. Interesting. You bring that up, a friend of mine sent me a photo of a book he's reading about circadian rhythms and how he's really benefiting from that. Really? Yeah, I think it's great. Because my whole sleep cycle. Yeah. is messed up. Yeah. Because of the pandemic. I'm a night person naturally. And so I just was able to fully take advantage of that. And now getting back to the like, real world, I need to re you know, set that yeah, or, yeah, well, circadian light. Lighting is definitely, I think, a huge benefit for sleep. In fact, they say that the first thing you should do when you get up in the morning is looking bright light. Because it sets your clock your clock. Yeah, that's cool. And that brings up like we didn't really talk about like artificial lighting. In biophilic design, you know, that's something that's simple. And it probably a lot of people have already gone down this route. But making sure you're using LED lights now. Yeah, and getting them as close to the daylight. Yes, coloring as you can. So that's, you know, something people can do to

Sheri Davidson 1:02:46

and you can buy the lights for your lamps, that will actually will change that change with the time of the day, which I think is really, really cool. So I turn on, I have a lot of windows. And I love it because I have a lot of natural light that comes in. But I only use lamps. So I have my windows open every day. And I guess probably around five o'clock. I'll turn on the lamp, but lamps and so as the sun goes down, then you're inside is kind of Yes. Doing the same doing the same thing. It's just glowing. Yeah. So I really, I really like it because it's really soft and kind of gets me to settle down a

Jackie Barry 1:03:24

little bit. Yeah, my townhouse came with some really awful lighting that if yes, and so you know room by room. I'm trying to change figure that out. Yeah. Using a lot of lamps. And yeah, yeah, I don't like the lighting in here. This track lighting is I want to I would like to change it out. But we'll we'll get there one day, but it's great. Just because it's so functional. Yeah. Flexible.

Sheri Davidson 1:03:46
Yeah. Well, normally I don't have these lights on. I have the lamp on Right. because summer is in here. Yes.

Jackie Barry 1:03:51
So where do you go ahead? And when we were going to talk a little bit about types of plants?

Oh, yes.

Sheri Davidson 1:03:56

So I want to know this. I would love to know, the plants you have had success with indoors because I did the same thing. You know, like I went out and bought a lot of indoor plants last year. And they thrived all summer long. They thrived in the fall. But then all of a sudden took a nosedive. Yeah, in the winter in the winter. And I think I think what happened was, again, the shunt, the sun shifted. Yes. And I think Well, it happened.

Jackie Barry 1:04:24
So being on those groups I've learned a lot about you know that having grow lights is important in the winter. That's what Oh, yeah. So that you can you know, the plants can adjust to that. So in the winter. That's what Oh, yeah. So that you can you know, the plants can adjust to that. So if you can put some grow lights and you might have some more success with that. So I'm going to experiment with that myself. I don't have a lot of natural light. I mean, I it's it's weird because it's bright in there to me, but it's not like where I can put plants should I get the light so I'm going to experiment with that. So that might be something you could try. The thing about too. Like, you know, there's plant or plant friendly, pet friendly plants, right? So that's another two I had to, you know, it's like, oh, even one of the plants that I bought one of my cats ate it and got sick, but it's actually one of the pet friendly plants. So I'm like, okay, so I think you know, it just depends. It was one of the pepper Mia's. Anyway, it's a little round leaf plant. It was just really pretty. Yes, I was like, Oh, that's so pretty. When I guess my cat tree love thought it was pretty. Pretty inept. Also drawn to it. Exactly. So a couple of the most common ones that the mother in law's tongue or the snake plant, yes, yes. And the paqos IV, those are like, starter plants, interior plants, and those are toxic to both of them. Yes, the snake and, and the path SIV. So, but those are the ones that you know, are sort of easy to grow inside. So depending on if you have pets or not, but then things like English IV, you know, oh, I was going to mention, you can look up the NASA study on NASA. Uh huh. On on indoor plants, because they were looking, they did this whole study, looking for plants that took, you know, the bad chemicals and things out of the air in their space stations. So they wanted to know which plants did what, so that they could put them in the space station. So

Sheri Davidson 1:06:38
it's a good resource for I didn't see no plants. Why did my spacewalk

Jackie Barry 1:06:43

are the plans? I know they're supposed to be plants. Yeah, I would love to like, you know, clean the air. Yeah. So yeah, the there's a lot of plants that you know, do better at that then and then probably they require low lights. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So and then there's the plants that you typically see outdoors, like Bromeliads. Those do well inside because of the low light. Goes to the English Ivy League. That's kind of a designer plant. But yeah, there are beautiful, beautiful. I don't have success with them inside. I've killed two of them. Yeah. How long did it take before they? Not very long. Okay. Okay, so if you're just survived a year to a year you so far is so minor go down quick. And I think it's just the lack of light. Yeah. So I bought two more because I'm like, I'm gonna make this work. But then I started seeing them go down and I took them outside and put them on my patios. And they're doing great, right? I'm like, Yeah, I guess they'll have to be outside plants here. Yeah, but they're beautiful. I love those on the inside. But Boston fern. That's another good one. Ferns are inside and is it good inside? I want but it's outside. And if you want flowers, right, so African Violets Mm hmm. They do good inside. Okay. And I have to make a note of all of these can go to the nursery this weekend. My other addiction now is pots for my plants. I'm just like, there's some pretty ones out there. I know. Oh, there's a new place that okay, so Buchanan's is you know, a big great place to go but if you want quick and you want to, you know, sort of something a little bit smaller. Have you heard of dirt bag? Oh, dirt bag. Okay, I have not heard of that. Yes. Okay. It's called dirt bag. Okay, um, but it's you know, a lot of good interior plants and pots pots can be expensive. Especially the really big one. I know I was at Buchanan Sandra Day and so I hadn't been in a few weeks and I was like, I needed a couple interior plants. I was just you know, needing that fix. And so it was like a quarter till they were closing like a quarter to five or a quarter till six. So I was like, let me run in here real quick and get these plants I know I can pick something out. So I hadn't been

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since the holidays were over, I guess. Yeah. And so I got the plants and I had like five minutes to spare. And I'm like, well just you know, go up around where they have the pots, you know, just real quick, just real quick see if there's anything there. And sure enough, there was this terrazzo pot and I'm like ladies like man, you're like speed shopper here. Anyway, you had a lot of practice. Exactly. That's funny. Well, so I guess that's a good place to stop. Do you have any other suggestions or thoughts? You'll have to come back because I think we can probably so much so much. And we could really like focus on like one piece like water or air or I don't know we can we can we can Come up with something. But they're just fun. I mean, there's just yeah, there's even sort of thinking about preparing for this. It's just like, Oh, it's a lot, just a lot to talk about. But I

Sheri Davidson 1:10:09

think this is a good intro to what biophilic is and how somebody can benefit from it in their space. You know, we talked about lowering blood pressure. We talked about cognitive performance, creativity, deductive

Jackie Barry 1:10:24

being creative. Yeah. All of that. And just feeling calm and feeling calm in your yeah, there's so many aspects of living today life today that are not calming. Yeah. Well, in our in our environment impacts us greatly. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's important that we see it as part of our health and well being because we're there every day. Yes. Like 90% of our time is spent right? Yes, on

Sheri Davidson 1:10:50

inside, so we might as well make it healthy, vibrant, and biophilic. Thank you so much, Jackie. And I can't wait for you to come back. Yes. Thank you. Bye, bye. Well, what did you think? I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. So in summary, we are attracted to all that is alive and vital. And it turns out, it's healthy for us. Try incorporating some natural elements into your home or workplace to gain health benefits. Take a walk in the park, open your windows and let some fresh air and notice the views from your windows. Enjoy the fire on a cold night. Adjust your lighting to be in rhythm with your circadian clock. There are many simple things that you can do to connect with nature in your environment. So try some things out and let me know what you think. That concludes this episode. Just one more thing Jackie mentioned, there are many different elements to biophilic design. I'm super excited to have her back to dive in deeper to more specifics, like water quality, air quality, sustainability, the list goes on. It will be fine to have this as an ongoing theme. So I hope you come back. Join us again. The next episode is on relationships, connection and communication. And as always, I would love to hear your feedback. I'm dedicated to bringing you great content that is inspiring and informative with an artsy fun and edgy spin. Thank you so much for listening. We'll meet here again next time. I'll see you soon. And take care and never stop exploring, learning loving and being you Bye